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Interview: Jancis Robinson - fleer - 21-03-2019 01:40 PM
We sit down with the world's most respected wine journalist to find out more about her groundbreaking career
https://cluboenologique.com/story/interview-jancis-robinson/?platform=hootsuite
RE: Interview: Jancis Robinson - vinejo - 21-03-2019 07:32 PM
(21-03-2019 01:40 PM)fleer schreef: We sit down with the world's most respected wine journalist to find out more about her groundbreaking career
https://cluboenologique.com/story/interview-jancis-robinson/?platform=hootsuite
Niet mijn favoriete wijnschrijver maar ga t wel eens lezen, mss verander ik van gedacht ;-). Dank voor de link!
RE: Interview: Jancis Robinson - fleer - 23-03-2019 01:22 AM
(21-03-2019 07:32 PM)vinejo schreef:(21-03-2019 01:40 PM)fleer schreef: We sit down with the world's most respected wine journalist to find out more about her groundbreaking career
https://cluboenologique.com/story/interview-jancis-robinson/?platform=hootsuite
Niet mijn favoriete wijnschrijver maar ga t wel eens lezen, mss verander ik van gedacht ;-). Dank voor de link!
Ze is voor de meer elegante de meer lichtere wijnen ... die indruk heb ik toch over de jaren en als ze bvb een Spaanse wijn 17pt of meer geeft dan heeft ze mijn aandacht, dan moet het wel goed zijn omdat dat haar niet ligt, dat is mijn indruk mijn interpretatie van haar beoordelingen, de rest is bladvulling
RE: Interview: Jancis Robinson - vinejo - 23-03-2019 08:45 AM
(23-03-2019 01:22 AM)fleer schreef:(21-03-2019 07:32 PM)vinejo schreef:(21-03-2019 01:40 PM)fleer schreef: We sit down with the world's most respected wine journalist to find out more about her groundbreaking career
https://cluboenologique.com/story/interview-jancis-robinson/?platform=hootsuite
Niet mijn favoriete wijnschrijver maar ga t wel eens lezen, mss verander ik van gedacht ;-). Dank voor de link!
Ze is voor de meer elegante de meer lichtere wijnen ... die indruk heb ik toch over de jaren en als ze bvb een Spaanse wijn 17pt of meer geeft dan heeft ze mijn aandacht, dan moet het wel goed zijn omdat dat haar niet ligt, dat is mijn indruk mijn interpretatie van haar beoordelingen, de rest is bladvulling
Bij het lezen van een TN van Robinson hebik nog nooit zin gekregen om wijn te drinken, ik vind haar schrijfstijl klinisch en zonder passie.
(PS Geen idee waar dat rokend ventje bij mijn eerste reactie vandaan kwam..
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RE: Interview: Jancis Robinson - Vinogan(s) - 23-03-2019 12:20 PM
(23-03-2019 08:45 AM)vinejo schreef: Bij het lezen van een TN van Robinson hebik nog nooit zin gekregen om wijn te drinken, ik vind haar schrijfstijl klinisch en zonder passie.
Focus op de punten, dan valt dat niet op
RE: Interview: Jancis Robinson - vinejo - 23-03-2019 12:42 PM
(23-03-2019 12:20 PM)Vinogan(s) schreef:(23-03-2019 08:45 AM)vinejo schreef: Bij het lezen van een TN van Robinson hebik nog nooit zin gekregen om wijn te drinken, ik vind haar schrijfstijl klinisch en zonder passie.
Focus op de punten, dan valt dat niet op
Tja, 80% is t 16 of 16,5 of 17, what s the difference..?
Geef mij dan maar de 100 punten schaal
Hier geeft ze trouwens haar eigen inconstentie toe (wel sterk van haar vind ik)
Ik zeg ook constant in mijn wijnlessen dat de wijn die ze in een “klaslokaal” proeven in andere omstandigheden (nog) veel beter zal smaken.
I tasted around 50 Condrieus from the 2017 vintage (see my notes here). I scored one particular wine at a measly 14.5, one of the lowest possible scores, and another one at 17.5 – one of only four to score that high for the appellation across the vintage.
The trouble was that it was the same wine.
The first time, it was the 13th wine tasted blind in a line up of 47 Condrieus, organised by promotional body Inter Rhône. The second time, it was at a relaxed dinner the following evening, with the winemaker himself sitting at our table – I spit thee not.
In less than 48 hours, the same wine went from being one of the very worst Condrieus of the vintage to one of the very best.
In the first instance, the 14.5 was given in the equivalent of laboratory conditions: a large, simple, brightly lit room with plain white tables featuring built-in stainless-steel sinks. The sort of room where you'd be content to have your appendix removed. Each wine was poured blind and had about three minutes to be tasted, scored and written up, alongside dozens of their peers. I noted that it was flabby, overcooked and dull.
The second time was in a quiet, comfortable restaurant, after a couple of restorative (small) beers, at the beginning of a pleasant dinner that involved tasting 10 or so wines presented by the winemaker in person. This time round I found it fresh, defined and precise.
There are many potential explanations for the discrepancy, none of which is either satisfying or provable.
In the tasting room, it was early morning, conditions were conducive for complete concentration, and I was entirely sober. At the dinner, it was late evening, I was scribbling my notes in a notebook perched on the edge of a table, and I was two small beers and a half-glass of Condrieu less than sober. At the time, I didn't realise that I had tasted the same wine the day before and scored it so differently. And the winemaker was sitting right next to me.
In the real world, it is the restaurant scenario which most closely resembles the way wine is intended for drinking. Unless you buy wine to drink in entirely sterile conditions (perhaps you're an appendix surgeon), would you rather trust a dispassionate three-minute judgement or a longer, more contextualised and emotive consideration?
Then of course there is a host of other factors that affect how a wine might perform. Perhaps the first bottle was suffering from mild TCA or oxidation or any of the other factors that constitute bottle variation, and my assessment was surely affected by the Condrieus I tasted immediately before. I checked with Decanter's Rhône critic Matt Walls, who was tasting with me all week, and he scored the wines at 94 points on both occasions – although at the dinner, he was aware of having scored it highly the previous day.
So it seems the most likely explanation for my variation in scores is good old-fashioned human fallibility. I was evidently wrong once – but which of those scores is the right one?
The wine was Pierre Gaillard's L'Octroi, incidentally, and, for the record, the final score I settled on was 17.5, for two reasons: that I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt, and that I generally like Gaillard's wines. So that's one way of answering the question.
The better answer is that wine scores are not constant. Tasting wine is not a mathematical equation. It does not produce a reproducible result even for the same palate, let alone a different one with a different set of personal preferences.
RE: Interview: Jancis Robinson - vinejo - 23-03-2019 12:48 PM
Haar slotwoord hierover is trouwens prachtig:
Scores have become an inexorable feature of wine. They are by no means without any value, and can be useful as a comparative tool, yet they are blatantly flawed. The only way to diminish their influence would be if we all stopped believing in them, like with fairies and Santa. And while a world without fairies and Santa and wine scores might be more realistic, it sounds a lot less fun too.
RE: Interview: Jancis Robinson - Vinogan(s) - 23-03-2019 12:58 PM
britse nuchterheid
RE: Interview: Jancis Robinson - vinejo - 23-03-2019 01:01 PM
(23-03-2019 12:58 PM)Vinogan(s) schreef:
Dat is een statement uit het pre-Brexit tijdperk...
RE: Interview: Jancis Robinson - Jordaens - 23-03-2019 02:14 PM
A world without fairies... De fascisten halen hun oude stock roze driehoeken al boven... Verder heeft Jancis natuurlijk gelijk.