Primeurs 2012 - Bordeaux - Exclusief!

[jazzper]

bij deze wil ik meedelen dat alle rieslingoogsten van de afgelopen 3 jaar totaal mislukt zijn en zeker hun geld niet waard zijn. Madiran idem dito. sagrantino ook. Ook duitsland is niet de moeite waard om te kopen... oostenrijk mengt nog steeds anti-vries in zijn wijnen etc
Als we nu eens met alle wijnliefhebbers en solidaire wijnschrijvers deze boodschap uitdragen dan blijven die tenminste betaalbaar voor ons
Azie is trouwens met zijn tropische klimaatzones enkel geschikt voor bdx en dure bourgogne.. even de ambassades contacteren

[Jean]

Ik twijfel toch om eventueel Chateau Canon aan te schaffen. Ik heb die vroeger nog gedronken, en nu dat het eigendom is van de Chanel-keten, lijkt me dat toch interessant... Blijkbaar is Saint-Emilion nog redelijk goede kwaliteit in 2012...

[carl]

(17-05-2013 05:15 PM)Jean schreef:  Ik twijfel toch om eventueel Chateau Canon aan te schaffen. Ik heb die vroeger nog gedronken, en nu dat het eigendom is van de Chanel-keten, lijkt me dat toch interessant... Blijkbaar is Saint-Emilion nog redelijk goede kwaliteit in 2012...

Canon scoort in RvF 16,5 - 17,5, meer dan behoorlijk dus in dit eerder moeilijke jaar. Alles zal een beetje afhangen van de prijs.

[don quichotte]

(17-05-2013 05:15 PM)Jean schreef:  Ik twijfel toch om eventueel Chateau Canon aan te schaffen. Ik heb die vroeger nog gedronken, en nu dat het eigendom is van de Chanel-keten, lijkt me dat toch interessant...

Kan me dat al voorstellen.
Ik drink ergens deze Canon en zeg dat deze een neus No 5 heeft.
Ik zie ze al rond mij reageren.

[vinejo]

De omerta blijft, maar hier en daar wordt de zeepbel doorprikt...

http://www.decanter.com/news/blogs/team/...ur-samples

[vinejo]

http://www.thedrinksbusiness.com/2013/06...is-a-game/
(tekst hieronder geplakt, de meeste artikels verdwijnen na een tijdje..)

Bordeaux’s leading consultant, Michel Rolland, has admitted that the process of en primeur tastings and the resulting scores is a risky “game” for consumers.

Speaking to the drinks business this week at the UK launch of his new Spanish wine project, R&G, Rolland said: “You only get to the truth of a wine when it’s in the bottle, before that it’s a sort of game where the consumer can win or lose.”

Rolland was scathing about wine writers’ ability to accurately access en primeur samples, claiming that 99% of professional tasters get it wrong.–

Saying you know what a wine is going to end up like when you taste it after six months in barrel is like having baby twins and saying one is going to be a lawyer and the other a doctor – it’s impossible to know at such an early stage,” he said.


Despite this, Rolland doesn’t believe the en primeur tastings take place too early, as he doesn’t feel critics’ scores carry much weight.

“I don’t think scores are that important – if you look at the world’s top tasters, most of their scores are in alignment and people only care about the first, second and third growths anyway,” he told db.


Rolland praised Robert Parker’s provisional in barrel scores as he feels the truth of a wine can only be known after it’s been bottled
He did however concede that US critic Robert Parker got it right by offering a provisional score while the wines are in barrel and a definitive score when they’re bottled.

“Giving a range, such as 89-92 points, while a wine is in barrel helps account for the element of doubt that remains until the wine is bottled – you can never know the truth until then,” he said.

As Jean-Michel Laporte of La Conseillante explained to db earlier this week, Rolland said that the only difference between his en primeur samples and the final wines is the fact that he doesn’t add any pressed wines (as opposed to free run juice) to the samples.

“Most wines end up with around 10% of pressed wine in the final blend but we can’t put this into the en primeur samples as it’s too harsh and tannic and we have to show a drinkable wine that people are able to understand,” he said.

“You have to take care of some of the details without changing the fundamental character of the wine,” he added.

Rolland, who recently sold his family-owned Pomerol estate Le Bon Pasteur to Chinese businessman Sutong Pan, consults for wineries all over the world.

In terms of China’s winemaking potential, Rolland, who consults for the country’s biggest food manufacturer – Cofco – on its local and imported wines, believes China’s biggest handicap is its climate.

“From what I’ve seen, China’s climate is too prone to extremes ­– it gets too hot in the summer, too cold in the winter and when it rains it pours but I believe the greatest terroirs in China are yet to be discovered,” he said.